University of North Florida
Board of Trustees

  • Meeting
November 2, 2004
University Center at 2:30 p.m.

Florida Community College Trustees in Attendance

Ms. Suanne Thamm (Chair), Ms. Linda Asay (Vice Chair, Nassau County), Dr. M. F. Mass (Vice Chair, Duval County), Ms. Earlene Lockett, Mr. Thomas R. McGehee, Jr. Mr. David Miller, Jr. Ms. Emily Smith, Mr. Michael Weinstein, Mr. Wyman Winbush.  

Florida Community College Administrators in Attendance

Dr. Steve Wallace (College President), Dr. Edythe Abdullah (Downtown Campus President and trustee for the UNF Board of Trustees), Ms. Chris Arab (Vice President of Human Resources), Mr. Steve Bowers (Vice President of Administrative Services), Dr. Barbara Darby (North Campus President), Dr. Duane Dumbleton (Kent Campus President), Dr. Don Green (Executive Vice President), Ms. Susan Lehr (Vice President of Government Relations), Dr. Bill Mason (Executive Director of the Foundation), Mr. Steve Robbins (College Counsel), Dr. Rob Rennie (Vice President of Technology), Dr. Carol Spalding (Open Campus President), Dr. Norm Will (South Campus President), Dr. Maggie Cabral-Maly (Associate Vice President of Liberal Arts), Ms. Phyllis Renninger (Director of Resource Development), Mr. Jim Simpson (Associate Vice President of Workforce Development). 

University of North Florida Trustees in Attendance

Ms. Carol Thompson (Chair), Mr. Steve Halverson (Vice Chair), Dr. Edythe Abdullah, Mr. Luther Coggin, Ms. Toni Crawford, Mr. O’Neal Douglas, Mr. Wilfredo Gonzalez, Ms. Ann Hicks, Ms. Wanyonyi Kendrick, Dr. Judith Solano, Mr. Kevin Twomey, Mr. Jerry Watterson. 

University of North Florida Administrators in Attendance

Mr. John Delaney (President), Dr. Pierre Allaire (Vice President, Institutional Advancement), Dr. Pamela Chally (Dean, College of Health), Dr. Neal Coulter (Dean, College of Computer and Information Sciences), Dr. Larry Daniel (Dean, College of Education and Human Services), Dr. Gary Fane (Interim Dean, Coggin College of Business), Dr. Gerard Giordano (Provost and Vice President of Academic Affairs), Dr. Mauricio Gonzalez (Vice President, Student and International Affairs), Ms. Janet Owen (Director, Governmental Affairs), Dr. Thomas Serwatka (Special Assistant to the President and Dean, Graduate Studies and Research), Ms. Karen Stone (General Counsel), Ms. Shari Shuman (Vice President, Administration and Finance), Dr. Mark Workman (Dean, College of Arts and Sciences).  


Meeting attendees introduced themselves and expressed their enthusiasm for the opportunity to discuss collaborative efforts between the two institutions. After presentations from President Wallace and President Delaney highlighting general information about each institution, President Wallace provided a list of current collaborative efforts between UNF and FCCJ and the floor was opened for discussion.


FCCJ Trustee Michael Weinstein spoke of the number of students entering FCCJ in need of remediation. Trustee Emily Smith, of FCCJ, added that the amount available in the budget for such remediation was insufficient. Dr. Mass, also a trustee of FCCJ, asked about the conditions experienced by UNF’s entering freshmen such as class size, etc. UNF’s President, John Delaney, replied that classes were smaller and advising was considered better than at either UF or FSU by UNF students. Dr. Mass stated that he had recently heard the UNF Jazz ensemble and had been quite impressed by the performance; he highly recommended seeing any future performances.


Several questions were asked by trustees of FCCJ, including questions about UNF’s largest competitor for baccalaureate degrees and whether or not the institution was filled to capacity. President Delaney, answered that though he didn’t really consider it competitive in nature, the other largest suppliers of degrees to similar markets would be the other Florida state universities. In response to the question about capacity, he said that UNF could double the currently developed land, though most likely future growth would be vertical rather than spread out. He added that UNF was actively engaged in construction projects to create more space for instruction, library facilities, and other student needs to keep up with the growing enrollments.


Trustee Smith asked about the use of technology in the classrooms. President Delaney asked Dr. Coulter, Dean of the UNF College of Computing Sciences and Engineering to talk about the technology available in the new Science and Engineering Building, which he did. Urban Teacher Preparation was also mentioned. Dr. Daniel, Dean of the UNF College of Education, talked about the success of the program and the need for even more teachers prepared for teaching in urban schools.


Following the discussions about the individual institutions, FCCJ President Wallace gave an overview of areas where the two institutions were currently involved in collaborative efforts. Trustee Crawford of UNF expressed interested in collaborative grants and Trustee Halverson, vice chair of the UNF board, asked about articulation agreements. President Wallace suggested that he believed Florida was behind the rest of the country in articulating Associate in Science degrees into the four year universities. He talked about several articulation degrees between UNF and FCCJ, including agreements with the College of Computing Sciences and Engineering, the College of Education, the Coggin College of Business, and the College of Health. One of the possible future programs asked about by members of the FCCJ board was Logistics and Supply Chain Management and Trustee Mass asked about a possible culinary program.


Trustees from UNF were invested in the idea of collaboration and expressed a desire for future discussion. President Delaney noted that future collaborative efforts would need to be systematic, heavily involving faculty in any decision-making. Chair Thompson, of the UNF Board of Trustees, asked if there was an existing process for developing articulation agreements. UNF Trustee Solano, Chair of the Department of Computing Sciences, replied that a venue was needed for the two faculties to come together. President Wallace expressed his hope that the two institutions could grow beyond the current practice of building individual programs and trying to merge them together at a later date.


President Wallace discussed a joint degree, a Bachelor of Science in Applied Networking. He said the most important need of employers today was an advanced networking degree. He noted that FCCJ could provide such a degree on its own but had decided it would be better for students to provide the degree with a four year university. He said there were FCCJ faculty members who would love to teach at the upper division and he would love to have some members of the UNF faculty teach at FCCJ. Trustee Solano observed that the two institutions had ultimately agreed on an articulation agreement as UNF had an existing Bachelor of Science with several tracks. UNF had agreed to add a track to that degree in Information Technology with several emphases such as networking. She said that FCCJ had agreed to that approach and her department’s faculty had also voted to approve the plan. Final approval was pending at the university faculty and administrative levels. She noted that it was not a joint degree per se, but an articulation agreement allowing FCCJ students to move right into a four year track at UNF.


Trustee Twomey from UNF asked for an explanation of joint degrees. President Wallace replied that a joint degree was a collaborative degree rather than an articulation agreement. He said he appreciated the UNF faculty’s willingness to work with FCCJ on the agreement, but had thought the degree was to be a joint effort. He said that, while FCCJ had the legal ability to offer the degree on its own, the reason to offer it with UNF was because the degree wouldn’t be easily recognized coming from FCCJ. He added that FCCJ was likely to confer limited baccalaureate degrees in the future, though not in any area in which UNF already had a degree. Dr. Solano noted that the way the computer sciences were evolving, it was becoming more popular to offer a generic information technology degree that could be credentialed. This model fit the evolving nationwide trend and was eligible for professional accreditation, which made the degree more marketable.


Chair Thompson said these were exactly the types of discussions that UNF’s board had hoped to have. She felt the specifics of the programs were not what was most important but rather the ability to sit down and talk about ways to work together. She said she realized that resolution to the more traditional way of doing things might not come as fast as both institutions would like. Saying she understood that the community college could offer baccalaureate degrees, she said she felt the most important thing for the two institutions to look at was the best way to accomplish both state needs and maximum value for available funding. Indicating that she realized the process might not take place at the board level, she said she believed the boards could be involved in the discussion.


FCCJ’s board chair, Ms. Suanne Thamm, asked if the two institutions had duplicated programs. She gave construction as a possible example and said she felt it important to look at whether duplication existed. She also expressed interest in cross registration, wondering how much that overlap occurred. President Wallace said he and President Delaney had agreed to work on possible duplicated programs in continuing education. He said that the two institutions had a joint admissions agreement and that there was a fairly free flow of UNF students attending FCCJ. President Delaney mentioned the anti-raiding policy, and stated that he did not believe the flow went both ways.


UNF Trustee Kendrick expressed disappointment that there wasn’t more collaboration, stating that she believed there were community needs that were not being met. She said she would like to see a shared mission between the two schools. Mrs. Ann Hicks, Chair of the UNF BOT Education Policy Committee, mentioned the JCCI report and asked why it had not gone further. President Delaney replied that he believed that some in education felt the recommendations were too restrictive and not really needed. He added that the primary conversation that needed to occur was between himself and President Wallace.


Trustee Gonzalez of UNF said he would like to see the two schools reach out to the growing Hispanic population, stating that the community put a high value on education. Trustee Douglas of UNF expressed his appreciation for Dr. Wallace and the FCCJ board for hosting the meeting. He said that given the social and moral problems in the region, he felt that the resolution was to be found in education. He felt it important to try not to be territorial and to work toward maximizing the use of the education dollars available. He recommended further dialogue.


Mrs. Thompson said that the board was committed to working with FCCJ and suggested a smaller joint working group. Chair Thompson said the UNF board had a workshop planned later in the month and the topic could be discussed then and a recommendation could be forwarded. A member of the FCCJ board announced a Jazz performance on November 16 including ensembles from both UNF and FCCJ. The meeting was then adjourned.